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{{ToolInfoBox
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|tool name=Bandsaw Blades
|tool name=Bandsaw Blades
|german=Bandsägeblätter|image=
|german=Bandsägeblätter
|synonyms=band saw blades, saw bands, band blades;<br>DE: Bandsägeblätter, Sägebänder
|synonyms=band saw blades, saw bands,<br>band blades;<br>DE: Bandsägeblätter, Sägebänder
|type=
|type=
|material=''various'' (see list)
|material=''various'' (see list)
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|access=[[Bandsaw Introduction|bandsaw introduction]]
|access=[[Bandsaw Introduction|bandsaw introduction]]
|tutors=same as for [[bandsaws]]
|tutors=same as for [[bandsaws]]
|image=bandsaw-blades.jpeg
|manual=
|manual=
|donation=
|donation=
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** usually expressed as teeth per inch (TPI) or ''Zähne pro Zoll (ZpZ)''
** usually expressed as teeth per inch (TPI) or ''Zähne pro Zoll (ZpZ)''
** for wood, '''3-5 teeth''' should be in the cut (thicker workpiece: fewer teeth per inch!)<sup> [http://www.pilana.com/de/empfehlungen-fur-die-verwendung-von-holzbandsageblattern]</sup>
** for wood, '''3-5 teeth''' should be in the cut (thicker workpiece: fewer teeth per inch!)<sup> [http://www.pilana.com/de/empfehlungen-fur-die-verwendung-von-holzbandsageblattern]</sup>
** for metal, the "3-6-12-24 rule" is applied: '''6-12 teeth should be in the cut if possible''', but no less than three and no more than 24<sup> [https://www.littlemachineshop.com/images/gallery/instructions/5300BandSawBlades.pdf]</sup>
** alternative notation: ''Zahnweite'', expressed as mm between teeth (e.g. "Z5" = 5 mm from tip to tip)
** alternative notation: ''Zahnweite'', expressed as mm between teeth (e.g. "Z5" = 5 mm from tip to tip)
* width
* width
** determines the minimum radius you can cut (the narrower the blade, the smaller the achievable curves)
** determines the minimum radius you can cut (the narrower the blade, the smaller the achievable curves)
** rough orientation: 6 mm blade = 25 mm radius, 10 mm blade = 50 mm radius & 15 mm blade = 100 mm radius ([http://www.pilana.com/de/empfehlungen-fur-die-verwendung-von-holzbandsageblattern more info])
* kerf ''(Schnittbreite)'': a bit higher than the blade's back thickness because of the teeth's set ''(Schränkung)''
* kerf ''(Schnittbreite)'': a bit higher than the blade's back thickness because of the teeth's set ''(Schränkung)''
* tooth shape
* tooth shape
** greatly influences which materials that can be cut
** greatly influences which materials can be cut
** carbide tipped blades with a longer lifespan are become more widespread, but are still very expensive{{CN}}
** carbide tipped blades with a longer lifespan are becoming more widespread, but are still very expensive{{CN}}


...and to consider when buying blades:
...and to consider when buying blades:
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{| class="wikitable sortable"
{| class="wikitable sortable"
|-
|-
! scope="col"| ID
! scope="col"| Status
! scope="col" | Width<!-- currently without teeth - correct? -->
! scope="col"| Tooth Pitch ''(Zahnteilung)''
! scope="col"| Tooth Pitch ''(Zahnteilung)''
! scope="col"| ''Zahnweite''
! scope="col"| ''Zahnweite''
! scope="col"| Width <!-- currently without teeth - correct? -->
! scope="col"| Kerf
! scope="col"| Kerf
! scope="col"| Min. Radius<sup> [http://www.pilana.com/de/empfehlungen-fur-die-verwendung-von-holzbandsageblattern]</sup>
! scope="col"| Min. Radius<sup> [http://www.pilana.com/de/empfehlungen-fur-die-verwendung-von-holzbandsageblattern]</sup>
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! scope="col"| Comments
! scope="col"| Comments
|-
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|OK
|13 mm
|6 TPI
|6 TPI
|Z4
|Z4
|13 mm
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|
|approx. 100 mm
|approx. 100 mm
|hook
|hook
|''[[wood]]'', [[Acrylic Glass|acrylic glass]]
|''[[wood]]'', [[Acrylic Glass|acrylic glass]]
|Metabo original
|-
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|-
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|8 mm
|6 TPI
|6 TPI
|Z4
|Z4
|8 mm
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|-
|[broken] 4 TPI
|[broken] Z6
|[broken] 10 mm
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|[broken] 40 mm
|OK
|[broken] hook
|10 mm
|[broken] ''[[wood]]''
|4 TPI
|[broken] steel type "GBLADEunicut41C", from Maschinenhandel Meyer: [https://www.holz-metall.info/shop1/artikel10812.htm?liefer_land=DE&selectedVariation%5B9171%5D=795&massMenge=2225&artID=10812&cid=&formAction=detailArt "Bandsägeblatt 10 x 0,5 mm - für kleine Bandsägen"]
|Z6
|
|40 mm
|hook
|''[[wood]]''
|steel type "GBLADEunicut41C", from Maschinenhandel Meyer: [https://www.holz-metall.info/shop1/artikel10812.htm?liefer_land=DE&selectedVariation%5B9171%5D=795&massMenge=2225&artID=10812&cid=&formAction=detailArt "Bandsägeblatt 10 x 0,5 mm - für kleine Bandsägen"]
|-
|
|OK
|10 mm
|6 TPI
|Z4
|
|40 mm(?)
|hook
|''[[wood]]''
|
|-
|
|OK
|15 mm
|3.2 TPI
|Z8
|
|100 mm
|hook
|''[[wood]]''
|donated by [[Volker]]
|-
|-
|[gone] 3 TPI
|[gone] Z9
|[gone] 15 mm
|
|
|[gone] 95 mm
|Broken [https://github.com/comakingspace/do-something/issues/306]
|[gone] hook
|16 mm
|[gone] ''[[wood]]''
|3 TPI
|[gone] suitable for up to 350 mm high pieces ([[resawing]]!), steel type "GBLADEwoodcutUHB15+", from Maschinenhandel Meyer: [https://www.holz-metall.info/shop1/artikel958.htm?liefer_land=DE&selectedVariation%5B636%5D=803&massMenge=2225&artID=958&cid=&formAction=detailArt "Bandsägeblatt 15 x 0,5 mm"]<br>was nice and fast, but now '''replaced with a different kind''' (16 mm/3 TPI) --> let's buy it again when that one broke!
|Z9 ("Z9+")
|
|95 mm
|hook
|''[[wood]]''
|suitable for up to 350 mm high pieces ([[resawing]]!), steel type "GBLADEwoodcutUHB15+", from Maschinenhandel Meyer: [https://www.holz-metall.info/shop1/artikel958.htm?liefer_land=DE&selectedVariation%5B636%5D=803&massMenge=2225&artID=958&cid=&formAction=detailArt "Bandsägeblatt 15 x 0,5 mm"]
|-
|-
|[broken] 3 TPI
|[broken] "3Z"
|[broken] 16 mm
|
|
|[broken] 95 mm(?)
|Not able to tighten 2024-7-31 - L 2230 mm (@ 30 °C); fine in colder months...
|[broken] hook
|16 mm
|[broken] ''[[wood]]''
|3 TPI
|Z9
|
|
|
|hook (HM)
|[[Wood]]
|donated by
[[Loewenstein]]
|-
|-
|
|''uncertain''
|13 mm
|6 TPI
|6 TPI
|Z4
|Z4
|13 mm
|
|
|
|
|hook
|hook
|''[[wood]]'', [[Acrylic Glass|acrylic glass]]
|''[[wood]]'', [[Acrylic Glass|acrylic glass]]
|duplicate entry?
|-
|
|''coming soon''
|20 mm
|3 TPI
|"A8"
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|
|hook
|''[[wood]]''
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|-
|-
|''More''
|colspan="10"|''More need to be documented! Any help would be most welcome :-)''
|''needs''
|''to''
|''be''
|''documented!''
|''Any''
|''help''
|''would be most welcome :-)''
|}
|}
== 1870 mm Blades ==
This blade size ''should'' be compatible with our [[WoodSter 2 BS 412]].
We have not yet decided whether we will add that saw to the wood or metal workshop so it is a bit too early to go blade shopping.
== 1640 mm Blades ==
These '''metal cutting''' blades are compatible with our [[Herkules HMB 4000]].
Instead of a wide selection, we are probably best off with a variable tooth blade with 10/14 TPI as an allrounder. It should be bimetal for a greatly increased lifetime<sup> [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAc8OHbF3c8&list=PLULuGf3sBIFSzPe9xkNVHWtiN1rKq6S6Q&index=1&pp=iAQB]</sup>.
'''Possible sources:'''
*[https://www.holz-metall.info/13-x-0-9-mm-Premium-Bi-Metall-Bandsaegeblatt-M42/BSB13-0-9-10-14-SV#ncfg=1640 Maschinenhandel Meyer - 13 x 0,9 mm Bimetall-Bandsägeblatt vario 10/14 ZpZ]
** with this, we should be well-equipped for different workpieces types/shapes<sup> [https://www.littlemachineshop.com/images/gallery/instructions/5300BandSawBlades.pdf]</sup>
** let's apply the 3-6-12-24 rule<sup> [https://www.littlemachineshop.com/images/gallery/instructions/5300BandSawBlades.pdf]</sup>:
*** 14 TPI (approx. 0.55 teeth per mm) works for pieces as thin as 6 mm (3 teeth in the cut) and as thick as 43 mm (24 teeth in the cut)
*** 10 TPI (approx. 0.4 teeth per mm) also covers thicker pieces up to 60 mm (24 teeth in the cut)
=== Breaking In a New Blade ===
New [[Horizontal Bandsaw|horizontal bandsaw]] blades should be "broken in" with lower pressure to give them a much longer life.
This is achieved by making the first couple of cuts with the usual blade speed, but only 1/3 (soft materials) to 3/4 (hard materials) of the downward force you would normally apply.<sup> [https://amadamca.com/news/band-sawing-rules-of-thumb-sawing-expert-garry-toddish/]/[https://techtips.sawblade.com/how-to-break-in-a-band-saw-blade/]</sup>
How many cuts are "a couple"? It depends on the cross-section of your material, reportedly about 320 cm² (50 sq inch) are necessary.<sup> [https://amadamca.com/news/band-sawing-rules-of-thumb-sawing-expert-garry-toddish/]</sup>


== 1400 mm Blades ==
== 1400 mm Blades ==
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* [https://www.holz-metall.info/shop1/artikel9438.htm ''"Grundlagen: Bandsägeblätter die richtige Verwendung" (DE)''] by Maschinenhandel Meyer (shop)
* [https://www.holz-metall.info/shop1/artikel9438.htm ''"Grundlagen: Bandsägeblätter die richtige Verwendung" (DE)''] by Maschinenhandel Meyer (shop)
* [https://bandsaegenprofis.de/?p=p_28 ''"Bandsägeblatt - Wissen" (DE)''] by Reinhard Eck (for a shop)
* [https://bandsaegenprofis.de/?p=p_28 ''"Bandsägeblatt - Wissen" (DE)''] by Reinhard Eck (for a shop)
* [https://www.littlemachineshop.com/images/gallery/instructions/5300BandSawBlades.pdf "Selecting and Using Band Saw Blades"] by LittleMachineShop.com (for metal cutting)


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[[Category:Metalworking]]
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[[Category:Saws]]
[[Category:Woodworking]]
[[Category:Woodworking]]

Latest revision as of 21:17, 20 November 2024

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Bandsaw Blades

Bandsaw-blades.jpeg
Synonyms: band saw blades, saw bands,
band blades;
DE: Bandsägeblätter, Sägebänder
Material: various (see list)
Used with: bandsaws
Location: wood workshop (above bandsaw)
Access Requirements: bandsaw introduction
Tutors: same as for bandsaws
Similar (More or Less): circular saw blades

A bandsaw's capabilities heavily depend on which blade you choose. This page should let you see what we have in the Space and help you select the proper blade for each project.

Parameters to consider for each use:

  • tooth pitch (Zahnteilung): spacing of teeth
    • usually expressed as teeth per inch (TPI) or Zähne pro Zoll (ZpZ)
    • for wood, 3-5 teeth should be in the cut (thicker workpiece: fewer teeth per inch!) [1]
    • for metal, the "3-6-12-24 rule" is applied: 6-12 teeth should be in the cut if possible, but no less than three and no more than 24 [2]
    • alternative notation: Zahnweite, expressed as mm between teeth (e.g. "Z5" = 5 mm from tip to tip)
  • width
    • determines the minimum radius you can cut (the narrower the blade, the smaller the achievable curves)
    • rough orientation: 6 mm blade = 25 mm radius, 10 mm blade = 50 mm radius & 15 mm blade = 100 mm radius (more info)
  • kerf (Schnittbreite): a bit higher than the blade's back thickness because of the teeth's set (Schränkung)
  • tooth shape
    • greatly influences which materials can be cut
    • carbide tipped blades with a longer lifespan are becoming more widespread, but are still very expensive [citation needed]

...and to consider when buying blades:

  • length: found in the manual
  • thickness: should usually not be more than 1 ‰ of the guide wheel diameter or the blade might break [3]
    • different for three-wheel saws?


2225 mm Blades

These blades are compatible with our Metabo BS 1638 W. Here's what we have:

ID Status Width Tooth Pitch (Zahnteilung) Zahnweite Kerf Min. Radius [4] Tooth Shape Materials Comments
OK 13 mm 6 TPI Z4 approx. 100 mm hook wood, acrylic glass Metabo original
8 mm 6 TPI Z4 hook wood, acrylic glass
OK 10 mm 4 TPI Z6 40 mm hook wood steel type "GBLADEunicut41C", from Maschinenhandel Meyer: "Bandsägeblatt 10 x 0,5 mm - für kleine Bandsägen"
OK 10 mm 6 TPI Z4 40 mm(?) hook wood
OK 15 mm 3.2 TPI Z8 100 mm hook wood donated by Volker
Broken [5] 16 mm 3 TPI Z9 ("Z9+") 95 mm hook wood suitable for up to 350 mm high pieces (resawing!), steel type "GBLADEwoodcutUHB15+", from Maschinenhandel Meyer: "Bandsägeblatt 15 x 0,5 mm"
Not able to tighten 2024-7-31 - L 2230 mm (@ 30 °C); fine in colder months... 16 mm 3 TPI Z9 hook (HM) Wood donated by

Loewenstein

uncertain 13 mm 6 TPI Z4 hook wood, acrylic glass duplicate entry?
coming soon 20 mm 3 TPI "A8" hook wood
More need to be documented! Any help would be most welcome :-)

1870 mm Blades

This blade size should be compatible with our WoodSter 2 BS 412.

We have not yet decided whether we will add that saw to the wood or metal workshop so it is a bit too early to go blade shopping.

1640 mm Blades

These metal cutting blades are compatible with our Herkules HMB 4000.

Instead of a wide selection, we are probably best off with a variable tooth blade with 10/14 TPI as an allrounder. It should be bimetal for a greatly increased lifetime [6].

Possible sources:

  • Maschinenhandel Meyer - 13 x 0,9 mm Bimetall-Bandsägeblatt vario 10/14 ZpZ
    • with this, we should be well-equipped for different workpieces types/shapes [7]
    • let's apply the 3-6-12-24 rule [8]:
      • 14 TPI (approx. 0.55 teeth per mm) works for pieces as thin as 6 mm (3 teeth in the cut) and as thick as 43 mm (24 teeth in the cut)
      • 10 TPI (approx. 0.4 teeth per mm) also covers thicker pieces up to 60 mm (24 teeth in the cut)

Breaking In a New Blade

New horizontal bandsaw blades should be "broken in" with lower pressure to give them a much longer life.

This is achieved by making the first couple of cuts with the usual blade speed, but only 1/3 (soft materials) to 3/4 (hard materials) of the downward force you would normally apply. [9]/[10]

How many cuts are "a couple"? It depends on the cross-section of your material, reportedly about 320 cm² (50 sq inch) are necessary. [11]

1400 mm Blades

These blades are compatible with our CMI C-S-BS 250. Here's what we have so far:

Tooth Pitch (Zahnteilung) Width Kerf Min. Radius Tooth Shape Materials Comments
14 TPI 6 mm soft non-ferrous metals (e.g. aluminum, copper, bronze)
6 TPI 6 mm hook wood may not cut too well - the set (Schränkung) of the teeth seems to have suffered

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